[TRANSCRIPT – posted by Mardukite Admin Staff. Recorded exclusively for internal use on April 30 2025; edited/transcribed, redacted text approved for public release on May 1 2025. Audio-Video record copies not approved for any non-Mardukite platforms or social network. Edited via third-party; does not reflect subjective opinions of Mardukite Research Org. or JFI Publications; all transcribed commentary by interviewer/interviewee is presented for satirical entertainment and/or political art purposes only.]
CAPTAIN L. JAY: I’m here with Joshua Free, author of one-hundred books, founder of the modern Mardukite movement and developer of the unique Systemology philosophy that is going to save us all from this hellish nightmare we laughing call reality… is that right?
JOSHUA FREE: Wow, that’s some introduction. Yeah, we’re recording this to transcribe for our own people. We won’t put this up on YouTube or anything like that. Probably just our blog and mailing list. It’s just for those who have been paying attention. I don’t think anyone that’s gonna hear this knows who you are though. Your name hasn’t been on anything…
CPT. L. JAY: That suits me just fine. But, well, I started reading the books – your books – back in 2011, I think it was. My background isn’t very mystical. My credentials are game theory and worked many years as a certain kind of strategist… of sorts… for… them. Like you, I’m retiring and headed for an underground bunker. Well, not like you, I guess. Of course, the rumor around the Org. is that you are retiring, but that’s not really what’s up, right? Do you care to elaborate?
JOSHUA FREE: Well, I think it is high time I return whence I came, yes, to the underground, though maybe not as literal as you take it. I maintained a long presence in the metaphoric underground up until 2008, and even in various ways thereafter. But, the work and legacy I sought to finally establish during this lifetime – it’s taken a couple consecutive lifetimes at this ‘new thought’ writing stuff – and well, the following and such, it required me to make something of a celebrity presence or online persona as a means for the cause.
CPT. L. JAY: Although you’re considered a prolific writer – I think the total word-count published is like three million words or something – but you had finite goals with all this, so you say. No one really believed that, given how many books continued getting produced. But you claim this was all adding up to something specific; even starting with your early work in the 1990’s, when you used a pseudonym (Merlyn Stone) for the “magick” type books. But, that wasn’t really what you were working on, as you say, you were always wanting to develop what we refer to now as “New Standard Systemology.” So, what is this all about? – And are you done writing then?
JOSHUA FREE: Ah, jeez, Rick. Okay, so, yeah, I had finite goals. The idea behind it all did start in the 90s. And yeah, the “magick” genre was the closest fit to working some of the preliminaries out – but it was certainly not the end-all be-all of the goal; not by a long-shot. It all depends, I suppose, about your definitions of “magick” here in this “physical universe” – or how one differentiates what it means to be a “spirit” operating (in) a “physical” existence. And most people don’t differentiate or actualize that fact, even if they supposedly believe it on an intellectual level. They say ‘oh, yeah, I’m a spiritual being, and I have this human body’, but they aren’t actually operating life that way; they just go back to doing the same thing – being with their attention-awareness “snapped-in” on a the existential human experience.
CPT. L. JAY: Then, you are saying that your goals have been achieved with your recent work with ‘New Standard Systemology’? That an individual can now operate fully aware as a spiritual being independent of the human experience?
JOSHUA FREE: Uh, yes, I’m saying that now, then. I didn’t really say that part yet. [laughs] I’m just explaining that my goals went full beyond what most in the “New Age” type movements or interests today consider “magick” – really required going back, looking back, behind, what’s behind anything we might call “magick.” And of course, I wasn’t interested in establishing a new genre that only related to those with existing “occult” or “magick” interests. I didn’t want that vocabulary to even enter into Systemology, which makes it much more universal in its approach, rather than exclusive. I mean, of course, it is “universal” in that its the definitive understanding of all life and universes and realities; but the communication is what needed to be universal too, and that’s the part that has taken as much time to accomplish as the actual working out of what needs to be communicated. It’s taken about thirty years, full time.
CPT. L. JAY: To repeat the former question, then, “you’re done then”? You are done writing?
JOSHUA FREE: Well, I’m sure I’ll always be writing. I’ve got things written in shoeboxes that aren’t even published; might not ever be published. That’s gonna be up to the new admin staff that kind of start taking on preserving the legacy in my stead. The big crunch to complete my work on Systemology, assuming at the time that it was truly possibly, well, that started really happening in 2020, because I had a deadline. When the final pieces of ‘New Standard Systemology’ were published in March 2024, I quietly shuttered the primary “Research Division” of the Research Org. Of course, no one really noticed, but there wasn’t anything more for me to be doing research on. I don’t think most people will ever even fully appreciate what, for example, “Keys to the Kingdom” really provides – and that’s assuming they reach the point of even owning it; because Systemology is a difficult sell; a lot of people don’t know what to make of it, or they think its something else. I love publishing books, but really, I did all of this upper-level work for me. And yeah, its what I’ve really been working at since the 1990s, in spite of all the other stuff. Because I’ve got to work my own way back out of this sh*t too, since I’ve been hanging around the thick gravity and trappings of this “prison planet” for way too many recent lifetimes. But that’s another story altogether. Uh, was that the whole question. Did I cover…
CPT. L. JAY: Retirement. People want to know if you’re… what your plans are.
JOSHUA FREE: I’m definitely taking a step back. I’m stepping down as the Director of the operations, all the operations. I’m stepping back, and if I continue to have any involvement, it would be from behind the scenes and far away. With times being what they are, I have other plans going on now, and other things to be done; some of which might be considered related; but really nothing specific that I’m going to get into right now for this forum. But…
CPT. L. JAY: So, like, no more YouTube videos or social networking?
JOSHUA FREE: Yes, that would be a safe assumption. I don’t particularly think right now is a great time for me to maintain an online presence – but that’s not even the point. Last year, I put up videos we shot at the Mardukite Academy of Systemology – like, a lot of videos. And I think there’s close to 400 videos up there among accounts. I think we got about as many blogs and posts accumulated over the years, maybe. More to the point, I don’t feel the need to contribute to any other commercial social platforms. They’ve been f*cking up news and elections for the past decade. Recent news emerged that Meta and Elon Musk have used illegal stolen copies of my work to train their A.I. I think there’s some class action sh*t going on right now, and we’re definitely keeping an eye there. Of course, now with Demented Donald Putin flailing unchecked, it’s all turned into a big deep f*cking pile of bovine-fecal-matter out there.
CPT. L. JAY: Things have certainly shifted since my days in IC (the Intelligence Community). I think everyone has always felt that things weren’t perfect but that it was okay, or we were getting along, or we were getting better. I mean, that’s kind of the point of “progression” or being “progressive” with one’s view of the future. And usually it meant for a better quality of life, for future lives.
JOSHUA FREE: Well, that’s why we gotta get rid of this ‘geriatric government’ that’s been in the way of the younger generations of having any real future – assuming there’s time left to change it. These guys are basically the ‘walking dead’ and it’s always been that way with these ‘oil-mongers’ and ‘industrialist psychoons’. They don’t actually contribute anything meaningful. Their little closet-case GOB “good-ol’-boy” GOP-led gobstopping Nixon-loving regime had control for practically 25 years straight in the last century and all they did was create a couple generations that learned to hate their government; and a paranoid government that now only knows how to respond to this hate with predictable textbook soviet-nazi fascism and oligarchical collectivism. They think they produce something great. They produce genocide and bad folk music. It’s not like Musk is a rocket-scientist or automotive engineer. I mean, let’s be honest; the only cool thing he contributed to making is Vivian Jenna Wilson.
CPT. L. JAY: So, then what about the whole ‘Mars thing’? What do you think about trying to put humans on Mars?
JOSHUA FREE: It’s all bullsh*t, really. That’s what I know. I mean, they mortgaged the future of all life on the planet for some dude’s delusion. You’re not f*cking going to Mars. You wouldn’t want to if you could. The things that went on there in the past; are still going on there relatively unseen… just… ugh. These bodies weren’t meant to venture far, either. I mean, it wouldn’t be a very effective ‘Prison Planet’ existence down here if they did. But let’s play devil’s advocate… excuse me, Musk-advocate… and say it could work. If its the same sh*t that’s been going on down here, then I mean, did anyone actually see “Total Recall” from 1990?
CPT. L. JAY: Right…
JOSHUA FREE: So, yeah, you really want some oligarchical shit out there unchecked with the ghettos and bad air and mutations or whatever. But that’s not even it, either. Now we hear that its really about some Genghis Khan thing about being progenitor of a whole race. So, he’s killing our environment and dumping rockets in our oceans for his futile game of “let’s pretend.” And there’s that ‘game’ factor too. I mean, you and I both know about ‘The Game’ – but these f*cks go around with this ass-backwards notion that “well, it’s all some holographic videogame matrix reality, so it doesn’t matter” what they destroy or who they hurt. They pull the “Christian” card when it suits them. They’ll try to defend their public position with it, then they rape and murder behind closed doors, incite wars, trade blood for money, and still have the nerve to believe their hands are clean enough to try to shame the rest of us. Everyone needs to realize that its okay for some folks to be ‘divergent’. Attacks on neurodiversity are just more nazi-style fascism. The world once got rid of Hitler and Mussolini; we can do this too. It’s just part of the ‘game’ right? They change the rules all the time. Now they say its okay for feds to destroy natural habitats because they aren’t ‘hurting’ the actual individual animal. Are you kidding? I mean, can we apply this rule to their buildings, too. Cuz, it’s just a habitat, right. No harm intended. Utilitarian ethics, like we use in Systemology, says if they’re threatening our sustainable planet, then direct action is called for. Humans are one sub-group of All Life On Earth. If someone is going to make sustaining life on the planet impossible, then their reign needs to be made impossible. KMFDM sings, “you won’t let us live; we won’t let you rule.” They say climate change is bunk; oh, yeah, then why are insurance companies dropping people left and right for it. Someone should tell the ‘coffee plants’ its just a bunch of ‘liberal crap’ and see if they believe it and fall in line; maybe they’ll grow better and cheaper, because apparently their too woke to be affordable or something. You can see how
CPT. L. JAY: A lot of people are in a state of confusion or feeling the oppression and such right now. What part of your work would be the most beneficial for them? Would you say it’s this final piece, the ‘magnum opus’ as you say?
JOSHUA FREE: Yeah, get actualized. Increase awareness. All that. The work for ‘New Standard Systemology’ is really one single work. It has a lot of parts, but they’re all progressive or cumulative. And you can’t skip anything, because it really is cumulative. It might seem overwhelming, especially in view of the fact of the huge amount of titles and editions out there from the past 30 years with my name on it. But again, it was all leading up to something. And I was courteous enough to provide details of the journey along the way that led up to this point – like, all the research and development that led up to this, so it’s not like I just pulled it out of my ass one day. Things have been building. And someone doesn’t need to take the “path of the razor’s edge” that I did to uncover it; nor does it take 30 years to work through now that a complete map has been drawn – and the instructions for its travel are now given step-by-step in a way that really shouldn’t require much additional effort on my part for people to understand and get there.
CPT. L. JAY: In spite of all the work you’ve done over the past few decades, and the work that continues to be published in various anniversary editions and reissues from JFI Publications, it really does seem that the past year, since the beginning of 2024, the only work you have been really promoting is ‘New Standard Systemology’. And this work was completed and released right before all this happened in the world now. It reminds me of when you finally brought Systemology public up from the underground phase in late 2019, with its first publications, “Tablets of Destiny Revelation,” “Crystal Clear” and, of course, “The Power of Zu” lectures, just months before COVID dropped. Naturally this inspired rumors in the Org. that many of your self-imposed deadlines over the years have tended to suggest some kind of foresight on future events. Any comments on that?
JOSHUA FREE: Are we really… are you really asking me about that? I guess we can just say that I make an effort to deliver what is needed; and not necessarily what is wanted, or what someone is programmed to want. In fact, the standard issue human condition is programmed to reject the Pathway. ‘The Way Out’ is forbidden – and yet it has now been published. So, for whatever that means to whoever it is meant for. A rescue mission requires some cooperation on everyone’s part; well, everyone that is meant to be included, or ready to be. It’s not a one-way deal and I’ve left a lifeline and a map with clear instructions now. If someone is really meant to follow (me) than there it is. One can’t hold the door forever. If someone feels a sense of grief or loss because they’ve been relying on my presence or service as a crutch, it’s high time for them to get busy and start working toward standing – well, flying – on their own.
CPT. L. JAY: I wonder if you might briefly explain, on record here, the titles or books that are a part of the ‘New Standard Systemology’ series – or your final ‘magnum opus’ as you say. I’m sure there are some people that are still overwhelmed by the amount of past work that you’ve done that aren’t sure about these new books. For starters, does someone need to have read anything of yours before getting ‘New Standard Systemology’?
JOSHUA FREE: No, not at all. I mean, the past work certainly offers some support in various areas. And all that isn’t invalidated. In its own right, in its own paradigm, each is the best of what those worlds or subjects or whatever has to offer. But they also had a glass-ceiling to offer at a certain point. Rather than bang against the glass like a confused bird, I would take a different avenue and explore that in full, until again, there would be some kind of limitation to where the paradigm or specific system didn’t really provide the leverage to get beyond a certain point of development. I mean, someone might stumble on it. But that usually would have more to do with the individual rather than whatever “-ism” they’re professing at the time.
CPT. L. JAY: Okay, so where does someone start?
JOSHUA FREE: ‘New Standard Systemology’ is really a single work that is composed of 33 parts. These 33 parts were first issued individually. So, if someone really wants to collect it and go through it bit-by-bit, there are 33 individual lesson-booklets and manuals that build on one another incrementally from zero to infinity. The first 6 parts compose a basic course available as “Fundamentals of Systemology” either in hardcover or a workbook size paperback. The next 16 parts are found in “The Pathway to Ascension” either in two hardcover volumes or one complete workbook size paperback. Then the advanced course is called “Keys to the Kingdom” and it too is available in either two hardcover volumes or one complete workbook size paperback. Now, if someone is feeling really ambitious, last month we released the entire thing, all 33 parts of my ‘magnum opus’, in one single huge 1000-page oversized textbook hardcover titled “The Complete Systemology Wizard Course.”
CPT. L. JAY: Thank you for taking the time on this May’s Eve to kind of connect with everyone and kind of provide this snap-shot of things as they currently stand. I know I can speak for many others who are not present with us here that really want to express just how much we appreciate the caliber of work you’ve provided us.
JOSHUA FREE: I appreciate the sentiment, I really do. What I will appreciate more is seeing how this work will help assist people achieve whatever it takes to make it through. You just gotta hold on, do the work, and I know you can make it through. I better jet outta here before I turn this into a Degrassi song. You know I’ll do it.
CPT. L. JAY: Okay then. Thank you again.
JOSHUA FREE: I hope everyone has a safe and blessed Beltane holiday. And on that note, I wish safety and blessings on those who choose to observe it by standing up for civil rights and the future of the country at the May Day protests. Stay strong!
